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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Astounding Beyond Belief/Archive 1 on 2019-04-29.

Walterzilla (talkcontribs)
Cheese Head (talkcontribs)

After watching that, I just had to watch the rest

Walterzilla (talkcontribs)

How was it for you?

Is crating God's Beast manga article ok?

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DreamBrisdin (talkcontribs)

What else should be done for Godzilla from Godzilla:Heist?

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The Fool (talkcontribs)

I finished all of the text I did on the page, and I wanted to know if it looked good or if anything should be done before it is made into a page.


I also want to tank you for cleaning up all of my messes when ever I edited something, and I also apologize for that.

Should the Leafwing Infobox image be changed?

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Quameba (talkcontribs)

I'm thinking that it could be a good idea to change it to a frame of when one shows up in MLOM just before it gets killed. However, I'm unable to get a good image of it and the quality of the official YouTube video which has it isn't great.

Nebula Enjoyer (talkcontribs)

Got it, but idk how to put it here

Johnny Elliott (talkcontribs)
Quameba (talkcontribs)

Btw I myself am unable to directly screencap a high quality one from Apple TV itself a watching it on the browser is bad quality. If you can somehow get a 4K screencap of it in the tree, I could probably crop it to be an infobox.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I plan to finish off the episode summary tomorrow and can take a look at this in the process.

Quameba (talkcontribs)

Just wondering, why's the image so low quality?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm not really sure what you mean; it's from a screenshot of a fairly large 1080p file. The creature doesn't take up much of the frame, so naturally a proper crop won't have enormous dimensions. Mind you, it's still being shrunk down a bit when it displays in the infobox. Sometimes embedded .jpgs on this site can suffer from compression artifacts, but I tried out a .png version of the file just now and didn't see much difference.

Quameba (talkcontribs)

The image is like 300kb rn and the Leafwing does still take up a good portion of the frame. Did you get the image from YouTube or the show?

Should the Rat Monster from Marvel Godzilla Issue 18 not be listed as a monster?

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Quameba (talkcontribs)

As you know, PhilipBy2 keeps on undoing my edits. He also made an unnecessary attack on me using the edit summary by saying "go back to editing the pages for your AI book". My reasoning for it is that Godzilla became rat-sized in the comic and it's just a rat given the context of the story. I checked the wiki and my counterpoints against his reasoning would be that

  1. The Trilobite counts since it's a prehistoric creature appearing in modern times (which are counted on the wiki I think)
  2. The Giant Lizard from KKvG isn't a real species
  3. I'm pretty sure the Lat Zero Condor is considered to be a monster by Toho themselves
  4. The fish in Minus One look to be unknown species with varying sizes
  5. The Godzilla Legends birds seem to be mutated.
Les (talkcontribs)

He was out of line there and has been spoken to about it, but you are both equally guilty of warring with each other. This is becoming a repeated thing with you, and I'm inclined to give you a tempban the next time I see it.

As for the topic at hand, my opinion is that the rat is reasonable to list. The philosophy I took when making pages for King Kong in the Microcosmos (the first arc of which has Kong shrunk to the size of an ant for much of it) was that normal-sized animals should count as monsters because they serve that role in relation to Kong and the similarly-small aliens. You can also look to the example of The Whale God, which features a simple whale, but it is positioned as a monster in the way that it is regarded by the characters. So the precedent is already set that the definition of monster varies based on the situation. The fact that the rat fights Godzilla on equal footing with him, and is explicitly referred to as a "monster" by the narration, are convincing enough for me to say it serves the role of one. I think the LZ condor should be removed from the list though; that's a remnant from a long time ago and it seems kind of silly now. There is objectively nothing monstrous about it.

PhilipBy2 (talkcontribs)

I haven’t been undoing your edits, you’ve been undoing mine. I’ve since apologised in the comments section on the List of minor Toho monsters page for being so rude and confrontational in my edit summaries. As I said there, I was feeling very ticked off when I wrote them and didn’t stand back for a second to put as much thought into them as I should have done, and so I apologise for being rude.

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Hello,

I hope you’re doing well. I wanted to ask if you could help me identify the original source of a particular scan featuring a “Three Great Kaiju Showdown Simulation” (強豪3大怪獣対決シミュレーション), which includes Destoroyah, SpaceGodzilla, and Super Mechagodzilla.

https://imgur.com/a/mothra-leo-runs-heisei-gauntlet-DYs2973

The layout suggests it comes from an official Japanese publication (possibly a guidebook or magazine feature from the Heisei era), but I haven’t been able to determine the exact book or issue it originates from.

If you happen to recognize the scan or know which publication it comes from (title, year, ISBN, etc.), I would greatly appreciate your help. I want to ensure that any material used for reference or scaling purposes is properly sourced and verified.

Thank you very much for your time and assistance.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm not familiar with this one, sorry!

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Would you mind asking the other admins of this wiki as well?

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Sorry for the follow-up; I’d appreciate any update when you’re available.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm afraid they didn't know anything either.

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

Ah, that’s unfortunate. Do any of you happen to know if there’s any way to identify the original source of the scan?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

If you've already done a reverse image search, your best bet is probably Japanese kaiju fans on X (though I don't have any to recommend in particular).

Legendary Godzilla 95 (talkcontribs)

I see, ok, thanks!

El spigre (talkcontribs)

hey ABB, thanks for cleaning up the work I did on yellowback's page for journey to monster island, really appreciate it. I'm gonna try and make it consistent with rattler's page by adding some of your recent changes to his pgae

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Sure, happy to help! I read those books endlessly as a kid and it's nice to see their associated pages grow.

El spigre (talkcontribs)

that must've been fun being able to see them come out during the 90s. idk why but something about those snakes intrigued me enough to want to finish their pages (which I also plan to do for sasori), and I plan to finish yellowback sometime this week. all that's left is space monster for him

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I actually got the last three Ciencin books at a thrift store around 2004 (and didn't get my hands on the first one until I was in college). Anyways, good show!

El spigre (talkcontribs)

oh wow lucky, crazy to think that that's still before by time. honestly I would have loved for the Ciencin books to continue, they were like a mash of heisei and showa which is really charming to me. a shame a certain blockbuster bombed and caused it to be stopped prematurely (well that's the reason for the Cerasini book being canned but I think its safe to assume it would apply to a potential Ciencin sequel to space monster)

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I'm sure I would've enjoyed further installments, but I thought Space Monster was a fine finale. Still one of my favorite depictions of Ghidorah (not to mention Monster Island and its bickering inhabitants).

El spigre (talkcontribs)

oh space monster was a good way to end it, I don't disagree there. I just love the reinterpretations of the kaiju in the series, treating them more as characters than the Cerasini books did. Part of why I wish it got another novel is the fact that it was willing to make its own creations as well as use some of the lower scale kaiju as its front runners (ie Kamacuras and Varan). Ghidorah being mostly based on his showa incarnation is great too because ever since the 2010s it's been nothing but heisei ghidorah. Even if he was commanded by the Meteor crystal thing in Space Monster, he was at least allowed to have personality like in his debut, it's like a mix of three-headed monster and astro-monster

El spigre (talkcontribs)

finished making it consistent

Tamashii Nations/SHMA Page Split

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BioRobot2002 (talkcontribs)

Good morning, ABB!

As of now, “Tamashii Nations” redirects to the SHMA page. I propose that we make Tamashii Nations its own page and put the Chogokin lines and Metal Build there, since they cover the more detailed mecha figures that Tamashii doesn’t make in the SHMA line, and generally “future-proofs” the brand in case they ever decide to make more Kaiju figures outside of the SHMA line. (Also, if the Kaiju no.8 stuff ever makes it out of the sandbox, we can put a tiny SHF line in for them as well.) No changes would need to be made to the SHMA page (except some formatting/logo stuff).

The SHMA line on the page would be handled similarly to what I had planned for the ReActions, sort of like this:

S.H. MonsterArts

Main Article: S.H. MonsterArts


I am sorry to bother you again, but I just want to hear your thoughts on this before I actually do it. (I’m still working on the X-Plus pages, though I haven’t had the time nor the energy to sit down and really chip away at them. Hopefully, since most of Tamashii’s stuff is already in the SHMA page, this should be easier).

Let me know what you think. Thanks!

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

Sure, I think it's justified at this point.

Quameba (talkcontribs)

Instead of splitting, I think it's better to maybe just have a single Tamashii Nations page with a section for each toyline?

BioRobot2002 (talkcontribs)

That doesn’t seem ideal, considering the size of the existing SHMA page (Playmates and Super7 as entire brands are less than the SHMA page alone), but I’ll make a test sandbox for Tamashii Nations, and if it ends up being small enough, I’ll try to merge it into SHMA.

Kong Survivor Instinct location?

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Quameba (talkcontribs)

While it isn't directly stated in game, the locations seen are actually real places around New York. Some of the landmarks match up. The Kong section is in and around the City of Orange in New Jersey. The Abaddon section is in Downtown Brooklyn. Part of the Tiamat section is in Sleepy Hollow despite it being shown as a coastal village. The lighthouse in the town is seen in game alongside the large bridge behind it. The taxis and highway signs in game also indicate that it's New York/New Jersey. Should this be listed on the Survivor Instinct page?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

I would love to pin down Survivor Instinct's setting, and I don't doubt that the developers took some inspiration from real places, but I would like to see proof of these claims. Off the top of my head, the highway signs in the opening cutscene, visible at 1:52 here, read Springfield, Jacksonville, and Riverside - a major city in Florida and two of its neighborhoods. And while Tarrytown Light does seem to be the inspiration for the game's lighthouse, the nearby bridge looks nothing like the Tappan Zee. Bear in mind I used to go to school around there. :P

Quameba (talkcontribs)

There are actually places in New Jersey called Springfield, Jacksonville and Riverside. Jacksonville is a part of Springfield. Jacksonville and Riverside are only like 10 to 20 miles apart from each other.

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

But those are all tiny places between Trenton and Philadelphia, and quite far from the City of Orange. Why would they be listed on a highway sign near there? Riverside and Springfield are also exceedingly common place names in the U.S., and Jacksonville's not far behind.

question about gabora

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El spigre (talkcontribs)

hey ABB wanted to ask something. so I just finished up the sandbox for gabora's gallery page but I'm not sure if I should move it or not. I'm wondering if I should or not because while the work on the gallery is done, gabora's main page isn't. so I'm basically just asking, do I move the gallery sandbox since its done despite the main page not being complete?

Astounding Beyond Belief (talkcontribs)

It wouldn't be unprecedented - we have a credits page for Tokyo Earthquake Magnitude 8.1 but not a main page - though it would be better to finish the Gabora page too.