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Should the Rat Monster from Marvel Godzilla Issue 18 not be listed as a monster?

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Quameba (talkcontribs)

As you know, PhilipBy2 keeps on undoing my edits. He also made an unnecessary attack on me using the edit summary by saying "go back to editing the pages for your AI book". My reasoning for it is that Godzilla became rat-sized in the comic and it's just a rat given the context of the story. I checked the wiki and my counterpoints against his reasoning would be that

  1. The Trilobite counts since it's a prehistoric creature appearing in modern times (which are counted on the wiki I think)
  2. The Giant Lizard from KKvG isn't a real species
  3. I'm pretty sure the Lat Zero Condor is considered to be a monster by Toho themselves
  4. The fish in Minus One look to be unknown species with varying sizes
  5. The Godzilla Legends birds seem to be mutated.
Les (talkcontribs)

He was out of line there and has been spoken to about it, but you are both equally guilty of warring with each other. This is becoming a repeated thing with you, and I'm inclined to give you a tempban the next time I see it.

As for the topic at hand, my opinion is that the rat is reasonable to list. The philosophy I took when making pages for King Kong in the Microcosmos (the first arc of which has Kong shrunk to the size of an ant for much of it) was that normal-sized animals should count as monsters because they serve that role in relation to Kong and the similarly-small aliens. You can also look to the example of The Whale God, which features a simple whale, but it is positioned as a monster in the way that it is regarded by the characters. So the precedent is already set that the definition of monster varies based on the situation. The fact that the rat fights Godzilla on equal footing with him, and is explicitly referred to as a "monster" by the narration, are convincing enough for me to say it serves the role of one. I think the LZ condor should be removed from the list though; that's a remnant from a long time ago and it seems kind of silly now. There is objectively nothing monstrous about it.

PhilipBy2 (talkcontribs)

I haven’t been undoing your edits, you’ve been undoing mine. I’ve since apologised in the comments section on the List of minor Toho monsters page for being so rude and confrontational in my edit summaries. As I said there, I was feeling very ticked off when I wrote them and didn’t stand back for a second to put as much thought into them as I should have done, and so I apologise for being rude.